Description: Standing monthly XLIFF TC Teleconference.
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Agenda: 1/roll call
2/Previous meeting minutes:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00007.html
(note, October meeting was not in quorum - last quorate meeting 20 Sept 05)
3/ Work in Progress:
A. XLIFF 1.2 Specification update issues:
Two drafts of the XLIFF 1.2 spec have been distributed :
draft-xliff-core-1.2-20051411: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200511/msg00003.html
draft-xliff-core-1.2-20051411b: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200511/msg00004.html
Discuss if the work on 1.2 spec is complete, especially with reference to additional modifications suggested by Magnus in this mail: ->http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00022.html
Summary of Magnus' proposal:
1/deprecate a number of attributes used exclusively for file-format specific uses
2/Relax the requirement for name atribute in context group, and allow it to be optional.
3/Add extension point at xliff level to support custom xliff document wide metadata.
4/Deprecate element in favour of using xid
5/Deprecate the restype attribute in favour of using the element
At the last teleconference, although not in quorum, the participants recommended that we adopt only items 2 and 3, and defer the others to a subsequent release.
B. Representation Guides:
NOTE: We'll need to revise the documentation guides to be 1.2 compliant before releasing them along with the specification.
a. HTML - final profile document was approved, with minor change made by Tony and reposted (http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/email/archives/200507/msg00003.html). Document will be submitted to OASIS for public review once spec and all supporting XLIFF profiles documents are complete.
b. NET & Windows Resources
Initial draft of .NET Profile:
Latest draft of Windows Res Data Resources (revised 21 Sep 2005): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00011.html
c. Java Resource Bundles
Latest Draft of Java Resources Profile: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/download.php/14554/xliff-profile-java-1.1-draft-1.zip
Although the TC provisionally agreed at last meeting to have a ballot starting September 30th, a number of issues arose during the review which require discussion in a teleconference. The issues are documented in the following mails:
a. Handling escaping and replaceables in XLIFF -> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00013.html
b. A number of issues in this email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00023.html
1/Differentiate between different Java platforms/versions
2/Address XML-based properties
3/Provide pointers to Java pages on internationalization
4/Sketch the Extract&Merge Paradigm
5/Handling of references (especially to non-textual resources)
6/Approach for comments
c.survey of existing parsing tools ->http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00025.html
These issues have not yet been addressed - need final word on escaping.
d. PO Files:
No licensing issues exist with the work that was submitted to the XLIFF TC by Paul Gampe.
The proposed final PO file document submitted for ballot: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/download.php/14854/xliff-profile-po.zip
The ballot achieved a simple majority, and therefore PASSED and results are here: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballot.php?id=851
This representation guide will now be distributed along with the other resource type guides.
C. Open issues:
a. Translation of Voice XML Issues
~ Open until resolution of namespace issue.
- Action Item: Mat will submit a proposal on how to handle Voice XML issues.
Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00016.html
Latest Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00017.html
Await update from Mat on any concrete proposals...
Mat was not online and we need to resolve the namespace issue.
b. Extending XLIFF with separate namespaces. Addressing this issue is deferred until the new year (when Andzrej has volunteered to spend some time on research).
4/XLIFF TC Re-Charter:
The revision to our version number, delivery dates as well as dropping a number of deliverables means we must recharter our TC. A proposed charter revision was sent to the group, and is available to review at the following URL-> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200511/msg00005.html
We'll review and hopefully be ready to conduct a ballot or agree to an online ballot.
5/XLIFF 1.2 Certification activities:
There is some planning work under way to introduce a certification programme for tools providers who will be generating XLIFF. The programme will be external but the TC will have opportunity to influence and approve testing and certification process. Additional details will be presented by Reinhard as they develop.
Overview of the ignite program which the LRC has proposed and had accepted as an EU project. See:
http://www.localisation.ie/publications/presentations/2004/Conference/Presentations/ReinhardSchaler2(ignite).ppt
They are working on the first phase of this program and looking at testing standards or emerging standards. Patrick Gannon has attended a recent Ignite project meeting. There is a plan to have a two day workshop in December. The first day will be an introduction to the technology and the second day will concentrate on the work of Ignite.
6/ Reports from liaisons involved with other standards groups:
A. W3C i18n
B. Oscar
C. Trans-WS
D. LRC
7/Events:
A. Report back from Localisation World Seattle Bryan presented on a panel chaired by Yves Savourel
B. Tony and Peter will be participating in the "Language Standards Summit" - Berlin, Germany 12-13 December http://www.internationalization-conference.org/languagestandards/index.html
8/All other business none
9/ Next meeting December 19, 4pm BST / 11am EST
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Minutes: 1/roll call
There were 7 members present as recorded in Kavi.
2/Previous meeting minutes:
http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00007.html
(note, October meeting was not in quorum - last quorate meeting 20 Sept 05)
Minutes proposed by Florian and seconded by Doug.
3/ Work in Progress:
A. XLIFF 1.2 Specification update issues:
Two drafts of the XLIFF 1.2 spec have been distributed :
draft-xliff-core-1.2-20051411: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200511/msg00003.html
draft-xliff-core-1.2-20051411b: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200511/msg00004.html
Discuss if the work on 1.2 spec is complete, especially with reference to additional modifications suggested by Magnus in this mail: ->http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00022.html
Summary of Magnus' proposal:
1/deprecate a number of attributes used exclusively for file-format specific uses
2/Relax the requirement for name atribute in context group, and allow it to be optional.
3/Add extension point at xliff level to support custom xliff document wide metadata.
4/Deprecate element in favour of using xid
5/Deprecate the restype attribute in favour of using the element
At the last teleconference, although not in quorum, the participants recommended that we adopt only items 2 and 3, and defer the others to a subsequent release.
We agreed to do this and passed this by 8 votes with none against or abstaining.
We voted to aprrove the specification as a committee specification by 8 votes with none against or abstaining.
We voted that ballots could be proposed to the TC without being proposed at a TC meeting this was passed by 8 votes with none against or abstaining.
B. Representation Guides:
NOTE: We'll need to revise the documentation guides to be 1.2 compliant before releasing them along with the specification.
a. HTML - final profile document was approved, with minor change made by Tony and reposted (http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/email/archives/200507/msg00003.html). Document will be submitted to OASIS for public review once spec and all supporting XLIFF profiles documents are complete.
This is to be modified for 1.2. Tony has volunteered to change this.
We agreed to have a meeting in two weeks time to look at the issues around represntation guides. This will happen on November 29th at the usual time.
b. NET & Windows Resources
Initial draft of .NET Profile:
Latest draft of Windows Res Data Resources (revised 21 Sep 2005): http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00011.html
c. Java Resource Bundles
Latest Draft of Java Resources Profile: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/download.php/14554/xliff-profile-java-1.1-draft-1.zip
Although the TC provisionally agreed at last meeting to have a ballot starting September 30th, a number of issues arose during the review which require discussion in a teleconference. The issues are documented in the following mails:
a. Handling escaping and replaceables in XLIFF -> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00013.html
b. A number of issues in this email: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00023.html
1/Differentiate between different Java platforms/versions
2/Address XML-based properties
3/Provide pointers to Java pages on internationalization
4/Sketch the Extract&Merge Paradigm
5/Handling of references (especially to non-textual resources)
6/Approach for comments
c.survey of existing parsing tools ->http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200509/msg00025.html
These issues have not yet been addressed - need final word on escaping.
d. PO Files:
No licensing issues exist with the work that was submitted to the XLIFF TC by Paul Gampe.
The proposed final PO file document submitted for ballot: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/download.php/14854/xliff-profile-po.zip
The ballot achieved a simple majority, and therefore PASSED and results are here: http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/xliff/ballot.php?id=851
This representation guide will now be distributed along with the other resource type guides.
C. Open issues:
a. Translation of Voice XML Issues
~ Open until resolution of namespace issue.
- Action Item: Mat will submit a proposal on how to handle Voice XML issues.
Initial: http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00016.html
Latest Update: http://www.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200403/msg00017.html
Await update from Mat on any concrete proposals...
Mat was not online and we need to resolve the namespace issue.
b. Extending XLIFF with separate namespaces. Addressing this issue is deferred until the new year (when Andzrej has volunteered to spend some time on research).
4/XLIFF TC Re-Charter:
The revision to our version number, delivery dates as well as dropping a number of deliverables means we must recharter our TC. A proposed charter revision was sent to the group, and is available to review at the following URL-> http://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/xliff/200511/msg00005.html
We'll review and hopefully be ready to conduct a ballot or agree to an online ballot.
There was a debate about whether there was a need to mention our work with IGNITE.
We agreed to remove the following from the proposed charter.
‘Review and input to development of Standard Localisation Directives
Tag Library
- IGNITE Certification Programme’
Mention of the Standard Localisation Directives
Tag Library in the last paragraph will be removed.
We voted to aprrove the revised charter by 8 votes with none against or abstaining.
5/XLIFF 1.2 Certification activities:
There is some planning work under way to introduce a certification programme for tools providers who will be generating XLIFF. The programme will be external but the TC will have opportunity to influence and approve testing and certification process. Additional details will be presented by Reinhard as they develop.
Overview of the ignite program which the LRC has proposed and had accepted as an EU project. See:
http://www.localisation.ie/publications/presentations/2004/Conference/Presentations/ReinhardSchaler2(ignite).ppt
They are working on the first phase of this program and looking at testing standards or emerging standards. Patrick Gannon has attended a recent Ignite project meeting. There is a plan to have a two day workshop in December. The first day will be an introduction to the technology and the second day will concentrate on the work of Ignite.
This meeting is taking place on December 14th and 15th. Tony and Peter are attending.
6/ Reports from liaisons involved with other standards groups:
A. W3C i18n
B. Oscar
C. Trans-WS
D. LRC
7/Events:
A. Report back from Localisation World Seattle Bryan presented on a panel chaired by Yves Savourel
Bryan reported back. There was a lot of mention of XLIFF at this meeting.
B. Tony and Peter will be participating in the "Language Standards Summit" - Berlin, Germany 12-13 December http://www.internationalization-conference.org/languagestandards/index.html
C. Ignite conference 14-15 December, Dublin, Peter and Tony to attend.
8/All other business none
9/ Representation Guide meeting November 29, 4pm BST / 11am EST
Next full meeting December 19, 4pm BST / 11am EST
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Attendance:
| Meeting Statistics |
| Quorum rule |
51% of voting members |
| Achieved quorum |
true |
| Counts toward voter eligibility |
true |
| Individual Attendance |
Members: 8 of 39 (20%)
Voting Members: 8 of 12 (66%) (used for quorum calculation)
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| Company Attendance |
Companies: 6 of 21 (28%)
Voting Companies: 6 of 9 (66%)
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