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1. Administrative
[need a pool of scribe volunteers to rotate the duty]
2. Material
discuss normtaive keywords style
Call for a liaison rep
3. Closing Admin
Scribe: John McCrae
approve minutes from August and June meetings minutes from June 15 pending, action Simon
Still pending
minutes from August 24 https://markmail.org/thread/zbigcvmuwtnsnghy
Approved
DMLex Working Draft format Docbook template set up pending https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma
[skipped]
DMLex WD Technical discussion
Based on technical contributions received by 14th September 2020
Continue discussion of design principles
Review Michal's finding on the use of subentries and subsenses in ELEXIS data https://markmail.org/thread/wgzdw4234qtjrzof and hopefully Michal's full report
Do we have consensue on the fused design principles? https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Fused-revised-design-principles
Propose a combined design principle based on relational modelling?
No update on Michal’s report, more to be reported for the next meeting.
Non-circularity - avoided in traditional lexicography
Problematic for some properties (hypernym) not for others (similar)
technical possible to enforce this?
circularity in definitions (one refers to another and the other to the first)
logical fallacy in relations?
OntoLex has technical implementations like this based on OWL. relational databases use business logic rules… common problem, maybe we shouldn’t worry about it?
checking circularity of definitions is out of scope (?)
Moving open considerations into design principles
Promote “prefer relational modeling to nesting”
more flexible and diverse modelling?
continue to allow everything, but only allow one way to do it
nesting avoids circularity, but relational modelling requires ‘sanity check’ of data
personal decision about nesting in entries versus senses - be systematic about it
“relation to concept based models”
Do we understand what it means?
Does this mean that we look only at dictionaries not wordnets and ontologies
Semasiological resources only?
Doubts about why not to cover wordnets and terminologies.
Good standardization of terminological resources already
Would still have technical terms in dictionaries but treated as in a dictionary.
Some doubts: about relational modelling, is recursion in graph-based (RDF) models different from (XML-like) recursion?
Extend meeting by 30 mins?
JM: move the start time to be earlier? 1.30 pm WEST/WET
Time zone following European daylight savings time (remains the same European local time after DST elapses), so that the UTC time will change after 25th October 2020. Us will get back in sync in early November..
Continue discussion of data model diagrams [skipped]
Recet contributions:
John and Michal discussing revised Ontolex diagaram https://markmail.org/thread/wmmarqw5ugekxvdo
Miloš, Ilan, and John discussiong "two level senses" https://markmail.org/thread/ysxlq3ih5r4q6b67
Initial positions
Miloš: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/66840/LEXIDMA_ER_version1.pd
John: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Data-Model-based-on-OntoLex-TEI-Lex0
LEXIDMA TC liaisons and appointement of reps
TEI Lex-0 appointement of rep pending
Recap of agreed actions
AOB
Adjourned [1415 UTC]
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