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Agenda: Roll Call
Approve/discuss Minutes from previous meeting(s)
Review Action Items (http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/tab/members/action_items.php?sort_field=id&sort_type=ASC, sort item number ascending)
Staff Report (Mary)
Liaison Reports (Abbie, Martin or Mary)
Subcommittee Reports
Member Communications SC (Toby)
TC Process... SC (Hal)
Technology Issues SC (Bill)
Old Business
Your Business Here!
New Business
Ask the TAB question on UnitsML (Toby)
Report on OASIS FAQs
Report on energy/buildings member section progress, Grid-Interop
Summary and New Action Items
Adjourn
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Minutes: Minutes from 11/14 meeting of the TAB
Attending:
Cox, Lee, Durand, Barbour, Chapman, McCrae
Approval/Discussion of Minutes
Minutes were not done.
Andy Lee started the meeting indicating great difficulty because of time (early morning in China), indicated that he would be able to propose a new development area by the next meeting. Toby Considine indicated that as long as agreed upon work items were completed, accommodations could be made. Andy indicated that he would have a proposal for new work by the next meeting
Action Item Review
Bill requested a deferral of the plan for Ask The Tab due to illness.
A trouble with the new TAB Charter was revealed. There was a TAB Charter from 2006 that had never been uploaded to the web site. The new charter was withdrawn until the TAB could review the “secret” charter from 2006.
Staff Report:
Mary reported that the OASIS staff has been busy. A Jira issue tracker environment has been set up for all TCs to use, which should be announced next week. Staff is also working on a SVN for managing XML code and schemas. Bill noted that SVN will probably require a new best practices document. No completion date was indicated for SVN.
Martin asked if we would have pre-defined work-flows for Jira. Mary reported that they were working on creating default workflows. SCA is using one already. Mary noted that staff would welcome suggestions to help establish the workflows. Neil has been extremely responsive.
The moinmoin wiki is now up with full HTML support, including tables. This was done is response to a member request and is now being used by multiple members.
There is an issue associated with URI’s and Kavi. These will need to be re-written if/as we move to a Kavi replacement. There is a temporary effort to get a new architect / consultant on board, to assist with the transition.
Finally Mary noted that there was lots of business development going on, including CMIS which brought in a new sponsor as well as new members. She hopes efforts like OASIS Blue will bring a new contingent. New TCs often bring in many of the current members, but at least they encourage renewal.
There was some discussion of the Board Face to Face this week.
Toby Considine asked about our relationship with IEEE. Mary was unaware of any, and the question was passed to Abbie.
There will be a new call for participation for the SOA for Telecom TC following its charter revision. Andy Lee indicated that the new China Unicom (the merger of China Unicom and China Netcom)is seriously considering joining. They have just set up a research lab, and Andy had attempted to arrange a meeting between Laurent and Eduardo and the new head of the lab. Because of transition issues with the new position, the head was unable to make the meeting.
There was some conversation between Andy and Abbie on follow-up, to make sure they get in before the TC starts. Andy said he would check into it and get back to Abbie within a week.
Bill Cox noted that the Board has requested that all comments on charters and drafts be identified as coming from a TAB member.
Technical Issues Group:
Mary indicated that there are no outstanding questions. There has been very good progress with IT staff on the issues. The URI issue (see above) may be an issue soon, but is not yet.
College of Experts
There are no college of experts requests. There are a couple specifications in process that would be good for that TAB to review, but they are not willing. The goal is to insert some internal review prior to public review; after public review no one wants any comments. DITA and Open Doc Format are working on v1.2, large unwieldy things, many pieces and parts to hold together, same three people that are writing are reviewing. While a couple people in each group are interested, but there is no request from the chair no request from chair.
There was some back and forth on how to encourage requests as a social problem. Anyone can comment on a publicly viewable spec, but a large document can be daunting to voluntarily approach. Mary indicated that volunteer submissions would not have the same impact. Bill drilled down on how to get folks to ask. Mary replied that TC members indicate “we'll get back to you, talk to the tc chair”. Private conversations with TC members are appreciative, but the chairs are not always willing. This remains a conundrum.
Toby, recalling some similar issues in oBIX, suggested that a staff member attend an TC meeting and make the request in open forum, causing the TC could resolve its own internal communication issues.
Mary indicated the next step is to send the to the TC list for discussion. As well (viz. Eduardo comment yesterday): to chairs list - TAB members are willing to help with internal reviews prior to public reviews. Bill suggested that this be described as a pre-review option.
Andy Lee accepted a new action item to provide contact information for the Unicom contact.
Committee Reports
The review of the participation policy is pending the new charter review. Toby Considine withdrew the pending member removal agenda item in light if the participation in today’s meeting and the new action items accepted. Toby has accepted an action item to review by the next meeting.
Process Committee
Notes are on the subcommittee list, there is no news to report.
Staff Report on Board Process Committee
The meeting was cancelled. The Board has indicated that updates to the TC process should occur no more frequently than once a year. Mary indicated that the current issue list is much smaller than it has been in the past. This list has been greater than 100 issues, now it is about 20, with some issues minor.
The time for the Member Communications Committee was changed to off weeks from the weeks that the TAB meets.
Bill reported that on Board request, we would review the implementation of Ask the TAB with TAB and Board, including considering whether the Ask The Tab Process and the TAB wiki would be public. Eduardo was concerned about enhancing the value of OASIS membership by limiting some access to OASIS members. There was some surprise expressed, but we will proceed.
There was some discussion about appointments to fill TAB vacancies. THe Board has requested that we make a proposal. Mary suggested that the TAB consider Patrick Durusau, based upon his background in standards and his demonstrated work ethic. Hal moved that we nominate Patrick, and Martin seconded. eRusso. Jacques amended the proposal to suggest that this go in two parts. Toby agreed to contact Patrick to ascertain interest, and if he is interested, that we nominate him to the Board. The motion passed.
Bill and Toby reported on the outreach to Grid Interop.
Grid Interop is a joint workshop arranged by the GridWise Architectural Council and NIST with an intent to get interoperability standards developed swiftly. THe meeting was attended by Toby, Bill, and Carole Geyer.
Bill summarized prior activity, noting that the work is arranged into workgroups for Industry, [commercial] Building, Home, and Vehicle to Grid as well as a Transmission and Distribution group. A cybersecurity track was well attended, including a presentation by a representative from the Liberty Alliance. SAML was mentioned by several presenters. NIST is prepare in report to congress by the end of the year describing the effort to get standards in place from IEEE, ASHRAE, and , of course, OASIS.
Carole Bill, and Toby presented an overview of OASIS, its standards, and its processes at an evening round table attended by approximately 24 people. Key points were:
- Don’t reinvent standards
- Use OASIS for commerce and market areas
- Service definitions instead of process definitions
Added to an already scheduled meeting at the AHR Expo in Chicago will be a mid-march meeting in Chicago to try to draw in the perspectives of the commodities exchanges.
There was some interest in OASIS Blue; as soon as we figure out what it is, we will have a meeting to discuss how to ally it with these efforts.
Abbie raised some issues of expanding OASIS TC participation. In particular, OASIS came in late on Open ID. There is a lot of current work in strong authentication. Many members of these efforts now want to look now for a home for these standards. Most people do not want to spend $300 to join OASIS as individuals. They are now trying IETF.
Given these trends, and a tendency for new standards to be developed by some individuals who merely want to work together at a point in time, how can we get them in OASIS if don't think they should pay. If we don't address this, we will lose a lot of future work.
After some discussion, including the observation that all members in the IETF must be members of IEE, Martin summed up the discussion as “it is silly to expect people to come to OASIS for free, up to Board to set fee structure.”
Bill Cox proposed that we discuss this on the TAB list and that Martin point out these
issues to the Board.
The meeting adjourned at 12:29 Eastern Time.
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Attendance:
| Meeting Statistics |
| Quorum rule |
51% of voting members |
| Achieved quorum |
true |
| Counts toward voter eligibility |
true |
| Individual Attendance |
Members: 6 of 14 (42%)
Voting Members: 6 of 9 (66%) (used for quorum calculation)
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| Company Attendance |
Companies: 6 of 7 (85%)
Voting Companies: 6 of 7 (85%)
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