[18:02] Svante Schubert: Today's Agenda 1. Dial-In, Roll Call, Determination of Quorum and Voting Rights 2. Motion (simple majority): Approve the Agenda 3. Motion (simple majority): Approve minutes of 18 September 2023 -
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202309/msg00017.html 4. Status update/review on last week's editors work a)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4148 (reviewed by Svante - resolution in issue adopted) b)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4145 (TC action required: vote: on wording) c)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4141 (TC action required: vote: does paragraph add semantic?) d)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4115 (@Regina fine with you? - marked at duplicated with 4030) e)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4099 (reviewed by Svante - closed, moved to GitHub -
https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odf-tc/issues/35#issuecomment-1724322419 ) 5. Continue discussion last issue a)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4112 The proposal should be updated to be specific. Which target version? (JIRA "Fix Version" property). 6. Issue OFFICE-4147: Wrong algorithm in 4.11.7.7 Procedure E in part 4 The issue two weeks ago, please be prepared! Please read in advance! a)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4147 b)
https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/os/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.3-os-part4-formula.html#Basis-ProcedureE c)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/secure/attachment/12086/Steps%20manually.ods We need to vote on the existing proposal and the target version (JIRA "Fix Version" property). 7. Additions to applied OFFICE-4110 which is related to draw:handle a)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4146 We need to vote on the existing proposal and the target version (JIRA "Fix Version" property). 8. Check Issues The query "project = OFFICE AND status = New AND fixVersion is EMPTY" shows 17 issues (including 4147 above)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20status%20%3D%20New%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20EMPTY a) We might want to prioritize on the four bugs: project = OFFICE AND status = New AND fixVersion is EMPTY AND Type=Bug
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4147?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20status%20%3D%20New%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20EMPTY%20AND%20Type%3DBug b) followed by the six improvements: project = OFFICE AND status = New AND fixVersion is EMPTY AND type=Improvement
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4145?jql=project%20%3D%20OFFICE%20AND%20status%20%3D%20New%20AND%20fixVersion%20is%20EMPTY%20AND%20type%3DImprovement 9. Adjournment. ------------------------------------------------------------------ [18:04] Svante Schubert: 1) We have Quorum [18:05] Svante Schubert: 2) Change today's agenda? [18:06] Regina Henschel:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4094 [18:08] Francis Cave:
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/email/archives/202309/msg00033.html [18:08] Svante Schubert: Regina: There are updates. [18:08] Svante Schubert: We make it the new #5 [18:08] Svante Schubert: 3) Minutes approved unanimously [18:09] Svante Schubert: 4) Status update/review on last week's editors work [18:09] Svante Schubert: Francis: Change is applied
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4148 as in resolution field! [18:09] Svante Schubert: b)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4145 [18:10] Svante Schubert: Regina: Francis' wording is fine! [18:10] Svante Schubert: Francis will move it to Github and close the issue [18:11] Svante Schubert: we all agree [18:11] Svante Schubert: c)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4141 (TC action required: vote: does paragraph add semantic?) [18:11] Svante Schubert: Email from Regina:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202309/msg00034.html [18:12] Svante Schubert:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202309/msg00034/Compare_first_and_last_paragraph.odt [18:14] Francis Cave: I agree with Regina that the first paragraph is more precise and that the last paragraph adds nothing new, so the last paragraph should be removed. [18:16] Francis Cave: I would prefer in the final sentence of the first paragraph: "...they determine for certain character..." -> "...they determine for a specific character...". [18:17] Svante Schubert: The TC agree unanimously on the above proposal [18:20] Svante Schubert: We all agree this is an editorial issue. We just flag it as editorial and flag it as ODF Next. [18:21] Svante Schubert: It may stay in JIRA. [18:21] Svante Schubert: Regina: for new editorial issues we will open a new GitHub issue [18:23] Svante Schubert:
https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odf-tc/labels/ODF%201.5 [18:23] Svante Schubert: all our labels:
https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odf-tc/labels [18:23] Svante Schubert: d)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4115 (@Regina fine with you? - marked at duplicated with 4030) [18:23] Svante Schubert:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office/202309/msg00035.html [18:23] Svante Schubert: Regina: agrees! [18:24] Svante Schubert: e)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4099 (reviewed by Svante - closed, moved to GitHub -
https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odf-tc/issues/35#issuecomment-1724322419 ) [18:24] Svante Schubert: This is fine [18:25] Svante Schubert: 5)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4094 https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/office/email/archives/202309/msg00033.html Regina: There are updates. [18:26] Svante Schubert: Regina: From the reporter of the LO bug from Eike Rathke. [18:26] Svante Schubert: Please have a look at these comments:
https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136615#c38 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136615#c39 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136615#c40 https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=136615#c43 [18:28] Svante Schubert: Regina: We should read the above comments for next time. [18:28] Svante Schubert: Francis: We will go back to the resolve state and will add a comment. [18:29] Svante Schubert: Unanimous agreement. [18:29] Svante Schubert: 6. Continue discussion last issue a)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4112 The proposal should be updated to be specific. Which target version? (JIRA "Fix Version" property). [18:31] Svante Schubert:
https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part3-schema/OpenDocument-v1.4-part3-schema.html#attribute-number_calendar [18:34] Svante Schubert:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/office-comment/202109/msg00000.html [18:35] Regina Henschel: What date has the day before 1582-10-15 in a "proleptic" Gregorian calendar? [18:38] Svante Schubert:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proleptic_Gregorian_calendar [18:41] Svante Schubert: ISO 8601:2004 (clause 3.2.1 The Gregorian calendar) [18:42] Svante Schubert: There are now two parts in 2019 version -
https://www.iso.org/standard/70907.html [18:42] Svante Schubert: Regina: we only can further if we have a copy of the ISO clause [18:44] Svante Schubert:
https://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/index.html [18:44] Svante Schubert: ISO 8601 is not part of the public available standards [18:45] Michael Stahl: LibreOffice apparently supports at least 5 different calendars, including "gregorian" [18:46] Francis Cave: I will try to get hold of a copy of ISO 8601 clause 3.2.1. [18:47] Svante Schubert: 7. Issue OFFICE-4147: Wrong algorithm in 4.11.7.7 Procedure E in part 4 The issue two weeks ago, please be prepared! Please read in advance! a)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/OFFICE-4147 b)
https://docs.oasis-open.org/office/OpenDocument/v1.3/os/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.3-os-part4-formula.html#Basis-ProcedureE c)
https://issues.oasis-open.org/secure/attachment/12086/Steps%20manually.ods We need to vote on the existing proposal and the target version (JIRA "Fix Version" property). [18:48] Svante Schubert:
https://github.com/oasis-tcs/odf-tc#overview to open the HTML versions of ODF 1.4 [18:48] Svante Schubert:
https://oasis-tcs.github.io/odf-tc/odf1.4/part4-formula/OpenDocument-v1.4-part4-formula.html#Basis-ProcedureE [18:52] Svante Schubert: Regina: in 4.11.7.7 Procedure E the initial truncate is missing as (in A,B,C), first suggestion is to add it [18:54] Svante Schubert: Regina: Next problem: [18:57] Regina Henschel: The later comparisons month(date1) < month(date2) and day(date1) < day(date2) requires, that date1 < date2. Thus the values need to be exchanged if not. That is done in procedure A, B and C in ".If date1> date2, then swap the values of date1 and date2. ". The same Âstep has to be added to procedure E. [19:02] Svante Schubert: Regina: 3rd Problem is in the formula: Evaluate F: (A and B) or (A and C) or (A and D and E) A must be true that F can be true [19:03] Svante Schubert: Regina: 7.If F is true then return the average of the number of days in each year between date1 and date2, inclusive. Â 8.Otherwise, if A and is-leap-year(year(date1)) then return 366 ^(A and) is redundant [19:03] Svante Schubert: Regina: it has to be NOT A and [19:03] Svante Schubert: Michael: agrees [19:05] Svante Schubert: Regina: We should all look at it and write if there are remaining questions [19:05] Svante Schubert: So we can decide on it in the next meeting [19:07] Svante Schubert: As I am travelling next week, our next TC meeting will be on the 9th of October. [19:07] Svante Schubert: Meeting adjourned