OASIS Energy Interoperation TC

One of the controversial parts of EMIX (meaning  comment generating) is that among other things, a price node can be swapped for a geographic area. This allows a message to change from “Your price (at your meter) will go up 50% this afternoon” to “the price will go up for everyone in Marin County” this afternoon. This is actually communicated using the OGC specification KML. KML is, among other things, used to pin things on Google Earth.   The OGC is directly engaged in the Emergency Communications groups in OASIS. See the note below. Perhaps we should be using this profile instead of KML. I must confess, that I am not very sure of the differences…   tc   " It is the theory that decides what can be observed ."   - Albert Einstein Toby Considine Chair, OASIS oBIX Technical Committee U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee Facilities Technology Office University of North Carolina Chapel Hill, NC    Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu Phone: (919)962-9073 http://www.oasis-open.org blog: www.NewDaedalus.com     From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 AM To: emergency TC lists Oasis Subject: [emergency] RE: Teleconference this morning at noon Eastern, 10 AM Central, 9 AM Pacific   Just a reminder that the GIS SC will teleconference today. The main agenda item is a motion to recommend the use of GML Simple Feature profile to the full TC for use in OASIS standards.   The number is 800-320-4330, pin 132435   Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Specification Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org   The OGC: Making Location Count!   ---------------------   This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender  immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.   "The important thing is not to stop questioning." -- Albert Einstein "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

Is OGC GML based? It would seem that way based on the agenda comment.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [mailto:Toby.Considine@unc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:40 AM To: emix@lists.oasis-open.org; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   One of the controversial parts of EMIX (meaning  comment generating) is that among other things, a price node can be swapped for a geographic area. This allows a message to change from “Your price (at your meter) will go up 50% this afternoon” to “the price will go up for everyone in Marin County ” this afternoon. This is actually communicated using the OGC specification KML. KML is, among other things, used to pin things on Google Earth.   The OGC is directly engaged in the Emergency Communications groups in OASIS. See the note below. Perhaps we should be using this profile instead of KML. I must confess, that I am not very sure of the differences…   tc   " It is the theory that decides what can be observed ."   - Albert Einstein Toby Considine Chair, OASIS oBIX Technical Committee U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee Facilities Technology Office University of North Carolina Chapel Hill , NC    Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu Phone: (919)962-9073 http://www.oasis-open.org blog: www.NewDaedalus.com     From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 AM To: emergency TC lists Oasis Subject: [emergency] RE: Teleconference this morning at noon Eastern, 10 AM Central, 9 AM Pacific   Just a reminder that the GIS SC will teleconference today. The main agenda item is a motion to recommend the use of GML Simple Feature profile to the full TC for use in OASIS standards.   The number is 800-320-4330, pin 132435   Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Specification Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org   The OGC: Making Location Count!   ---------------------   This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender  immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.   "The important thing is not to stop questioning." -- Albert Einstein "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

Bruce -   GML (Geography Markup Language) is an OGC standard that is also an ISO standard. GML is an XML grammar based for the modeling and interchange of geospatial content (or content with a geospatial property). KML, also an OGC standard, is designed for visualization of geospatial content in earth browser systems. KML was not designed as an content interchange mechanism - although folks do so. One issue to be aware of is that KML has no concept of  feature . GML does.   A good summary is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_Markup_Language   Regards Carl Reed, PhD CTO OGC  
Original Message ----- From: Bartell, Bruce To: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) ; emix@lists.oasis-open.org ; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:02 AM Subject: [emix] RE: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX Is OGC GML based? It would seem that way based on the agenda comment.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [mailto:Toby.Considine@unc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:40 AM To: emix@lists.oasis-open.org ; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   One of the controversial parts of EMIX (meaning  comment generating) is that among other things, a price node can be swapped for a geographic area. This allows a message to change from ?Your price (at your meter) will go up 50% this afternoon? to ?the price will go up for everyone in Marin County ? this afternoon. This is actually communicated using the OGC specification KML. KML is, among other things, used to pin things on Google Earth.   The OGC is directly engaged in the Emergency Communications groups in OASIS. See the note below. Perhaps we should be using this profile instead of KML. I must confess, that I am not very sure of the differences?   tc   It is the theory that decides what can be observed .    - Albert Einstein Toby Considine Chair, OASIS oBIX Technical Committee U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee Facilities Technology Office University of North Carolina Chapel Hill , NC    Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu Phone: (919)962-9073 http://www.oasis-open.org blog: www.NewDaedalus.com     From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 AM To: emergency TC lists Oasis Subject: [emergency] RE: Teleconference this morning at noon Eastern, 10 AM Central, 9 AM Pacific   Just a reminder that the GIS SC will teleconference today. The main agenda item is a motion to recommend the use of GML Simple Feature profile to the full TC for use in OASIS standards.   The number is 800-320-4330, pin 132435   Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Specification Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org   The OGC: Making Location Count!   ---------------------   This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender  immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.   The important thing is not to stop questioning. -- Albert Einstein Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. -- Helen Keller

Carl, Thank you for the additional information and link. Based on this overview it would seem that for the purposes of EMIX, GML would be a better choice than KML. I am not aware of any requirements to express any visualization characteristics. EMIX deals with points and areas on the electric grid pertaining to points of generation, transport, and distribution (delivery points) and must be able to integrate with GIS systems used by System and Market Operators and Utilities.   I will look into the differences further, this has been a great help.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:22 PM To: Bartell, Bruce; Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT); emix@lists.oasis-open.org; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [emix] RE: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   Bruce -   GML (Geography Markup Language) is an OGC standard that is also an ISO standard. GML is an XML grammar based for the modeling and interchange of geospatial content (or content with a geospatial property). KML, also an OGC standard, is designed for visualization of geospatial content in earth browser systems. KML was not designed as an content interchange mechanism - although folks do so. One issue to be aware of is that KML has no concept of  "feature". GML does.   A good summary is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_Markup_Language   Regards Carl Reed, PhD CTO OGC  
Original Message ----- From: Bartell, Bruce To: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) ; emix@lists.oasis-open.org ; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:02 AM Subject: [emix] RE: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   Is OGC GML based? It would seem that way based on the agenda comment.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [mailto:Toby.Considine@unc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:40 AM To: emix@lists.oasis-open.org ; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   One of the controversial parts of EMIX (meaning  comment generating) is that among other things, a price node can be swapped for a geographic area. This allows a message to change from “Your price (at your meter) will go up 50% this afternoon” to “the price will go up for everyone in Marin County ” this afternoon. This is actually communicated using the OGC specification KML. KML is, among other things, used to pin things on Google Earth.   The OGC is directly engaged in the Emergency Communications groups in OASIS. See the note below. Perhaps we should be using this profile instead of KML. I must confess, that I am not very sure of the differences…   tc   " It is the theory that decides what can be observed ."   - Albert Einstein Toby Considine Chair, OASIS oBIX Technical Committee U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee Facilities Technology Office University of North Carolina Chapel Hill , NC    Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu Phone: (919)962-9073 http://www.oasis-open.org blog: www.NewDaedalus.com     From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 AM To: emergency TC lists Oasis Subject: [emergency] RE: Teleconference this morning at noon Eastern, 10 AM Central, 9 AM Pacific   Just a reminder that the GIS SC will teleconference today. The main agenda item is a motion to recommend the use of GML Simple Feature profile to the full TC for use in OASIS standards.   The number is 800-320-4330, pin 132435   Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Specification Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org   The OGC: Making Location Count!   ---------------------   This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender  immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.   "The important thing is not to stop questioning." -- Albert Einstein "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

Carl, Thank you for the additional information and link. Based on this overview it would seem that for the purposes of EMIX, GML would be a better choice than KML. I am not aware of any requirements to express any visualization characteristics. EMIX deals with points and areas on the electric grid pertaining to points of generation, transport, and distribution (delivery points) and must be able to integrate with GIS systems used by System and Market Operators and Utilities.   I will look into the differences further, this has been a great help.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 12:22 PM To: Bartell, Bruce; Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT); emix@lists.oasis-open.org; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: Re: [emix] RE: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   Bruce -   GML (Geography Markup Language) is an OGC standard that is also an ISO standard. GML is an XML grammar based for the modeling and interchange of geospatial content (or content with a geospatial property). KML, also an OGC standard, is designed for visualization of geospatial content in earth browser systems. KML was not designed as an content interchange mechanism - although folks do so. One issue to be aware of is that KML has no concept of  "feature". GML does.   A good summary is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_Markup_Language   Regards Carl Reed, PhD CTO OGC  
Original Message ----- From: Bartell, Bruce To: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) ; emix@lists.oasis-open.org ; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:02 AM Subject: [emix] RE: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   Is OGC GML based? It would seem that way based on the agenda comment.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [mailto:Toby.Considine@unc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:40 AM To: emix@lists.oasis-open.org ; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   One of the controversial parts of EMIX (meaning  comment generating) is that among other things, a price node can be swapped for a geographic area. This allows a message to change from “Your price (at your meter) will go up 50% this afternoon” to “the price will go up for everyone in Marin County ” this afternoon. This is actually communicated using the OGC specification KML. KML is, among other things, used to pin things on Google Earth.   The OGC is directly engaged in the Emergency Communications groups in OASIS. See the note below. Perhaps we should be using this profile instead of KML. I must confess, that I am not very sure of the differences…   tc   " It is the theory that decides what can be observed ."   - Albert Einstein Toby Considine Chair, OASIS oBIX Technical Committee U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee Facilities Technology Office University of North Carolina Chapel Hill , NC    Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu Phone: (919)962-9073 http://www.oasis-open.org blog: www.NewDaedalus.com     From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 AM To: emergency TC lists Oasis Subject: [emergency] RE: Teleconference this morning at noon Eastern, 10 AM Central, 9 AM Pacific   Just a reminder that the GIS SC will teleconference today. The main agenda item is a motion to recommend the use of GML Simple Feature profile to the full TC for use in OASIS standards.   The number is 800-320-4330, pin 132435   Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Specification Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org   The OGC: Making Location Count!   ---------------------   This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender  immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.   "The important thing is not to stop questioning." -- Albert Einstein "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller

Is OGC GML based? It would seem that way based on the agenda comment.   Bruce Bartell Xtensible Solutions Mobile : +1.321.258.6500 bbartell@xtensible.net      www.xtensible.net From: Considine, Toby (Campus Services IT) [mailto:Toby.Considine@unc.edu] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:40 AM To: emix@lists.oasis-open.org; energyinterop@lists.oasis-open.org Subject: [energyinterop] Energy Delivery, Space and EMIX   One of the controversial parts of EMIX (meaning  comment generating) is that among other things, a price node can be swapped for a geographic area. This allows a message to change from “Your price (at your meter) will go up 50% this afternoon” to “the price will go up for everyone in Marin County ” this afternoon. This is actually communicated using the OGC specification KML. KML is, among other things, used to pin things on Google Earth.   The OGC is directly engaged in the Emergency Communications groups in OASIS. See the note below. Perhaps we should be using this profile instead of KML. I must confess, that I am not very sure of the differences…   tc   " It is the theory that decides what can be observed ."   - Albert Einstein Toby Considine Chair, OASIS oBIX Technical Committee U.S. National Inst. of Standards and Tech. Smart Grid Architecture Committee Facilities Technology Office University of North Carolina Chapel Hill , NC    Email: Toby.Considine@ unc.edu Phone: (919)962-9073 http://www.oasis-open.org blog: www.NewDaedalus.com     From: Carl Reed [mailto:creed@opengeospatial.org] Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 9:24 AM To: emergency TC lists Oasis Subject: [emergency] RE: Teleconference this morning at noon Eastern, 10 AM Central, 9 AM Pacific   Just a reminder that the GIS SC will teleconference today. The main agenda item is a motion to recommend the use of GML Simple Feature profile to the full TC for use in OASIS standards.   The number is 800-320-4330, pin 132435   Carl Reed, PhD CTO and Executive Director Specification Program Open Geospatial Consortium www.opengeospatial.org   The OGC: Making Location Count!   ---------------------   This communication, including attachments, is for the exclusive use of addressee and may contain proprietary, confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, disclosure, dissemination or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender  immediately by return email and delete this communication and destroy all copies.   "The important thing is not to stop questioning." -- Albert Einstein "Security is mostly a superstition. It does not exist in nature. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing." -- Helen Keller