Minutes of Atlantic UBL TC call 20 March 2019 15:00UTC
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?iso=2019-03-20T15:00:00 2019-03-20 UBL Atlantic - 10:00MSP/10:00Lima/11:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe
Attendance
Todd Albers
Kenneth Bengtsson (convener)
Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
Kees Duvekot
Cecile Guasch
Yves Jordan
Natalie Muric
Enric Torregrosa
Attendance of the Pacific call:
Kenneth Bengtsson (convener)
Levine Naidoo
Regrets received in advance:
Matt Lewis
Andrew Mitchell
Steven Ryan
Referencing the specification
One of the following should be used as a specific citation:
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OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.2
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OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) v2.1 (ISO/IEC 19845:2015)
The following would be used for a general (any version) citation:
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OASIS UBL (ISO/IEC 19845)
The canonical 2.2 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
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http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/ The canonical 2.1 documents are available in the OASIS repository:
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http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.1/ The ISO/IEC catalogue entry for UBL 2.1 is found at:
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http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm/?csnumber=66370 The ISO/IEC document and attachments for UBL 2.1 are found at:
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http://standards.iso.org/ittf/PubliclyAvailableStandards/ Standing items
Additions to events calendar -
http://ubl.xml.org/events Nothing
Review of Pacific call minutes
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201903/msg00019.html Review of Atlantic call minutes
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201903/msg00012.html Membership status review
https://www.oasis-open.org/policies-guidelines/tc-process#membership https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/membership.php?wg_abbrev=ubl https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl/members/roster.php?num_items=80 New member orientation information:
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=59647 Voting status is determined by the following:
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existing voting members must not miss two consecutive meetings to maintain voting status
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non-voting members must attend two consecutive meetings to obtain voting status
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members formally on leave by prior request must not attend and their voting status is not impacted
Current UBL TC voting member list (alphabetical) and relationships:
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Todd Albers
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Member ASC X9 AB, Member ISO 20022 Payment SEG, Member W3C Web Payments Interest Group, Business Payments Coalition
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Oriol Bausà Peris
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Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML, Editor TC434 Validation
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Kenneth Bengtsson
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Chair OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML, DK Expert UN/CEFACT
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Erlend Klakegg Bergheim
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Member OASIS BDXR, Member OASIS ebXML Core & MS, Member CEN/TC434/WS8
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Peter Borresen
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DK Member CEN/TC440, Assistant Convenor CEN/TC440/WG7
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Kees Duvekot
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Member OASIS BDXR, Member of the StandaardisatieÂplatform e-factureren
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CÃcile Guasch
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Member CEN/TC440, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG1, Convenor CEN/TC440/WG2, European Commission liaison (DIGIT Interoperability Unit)
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G. Ken Holman
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Member OASIS BDXR, CA Member JTC 1/SC32, CA Expert UN/CEFACT
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Yves Jordan
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Andrew Mitchell
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Natalie Muric
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Levine Naidoo
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Member OASIS BDXR, Observer OASIS ebXML
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Matt Vickers
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Member OASIS BDXR, Member US Business Payments Coalition, Director US Data Coalition
Members losing voting status after this meeting:
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Andrew Mitchell
UBL 2.2
UBL 2.2 OASIS Standard is published:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/ubl/os-UBL-2.2/UBL-2.2.html Ken to begin the ISO revision process for ISO/IEC 19845. Waiting again on OASIS legal counsel for feedback from ISO.
UBL 2.3
Please progress unaddressed JIRA tickets, especially the ones from UBL 2.2.
Remember to become watchers of a ticket in order to get push notifications ... for example with the ticket number in ###:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-### Open issues at:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 Managing requirements:
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CÃcile: pre-award documents
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Kees: post-award documents
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Peter: transportation documents
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Kenneth and Todd: payments and finance documents
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Roberto: party information documents
Kees designated a co-editor of UBL 2.3 and is now in charge of the production of the artefacts, with the assistance from Erlend as needed.
Subcommittee chairs are reminded of the documentation requirements for new UBL documents recorded in these minutes under âDocumentationâ:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201902/msg00003.html Subcommittee process for forwarding changes to the main committee:
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Subcommittee edits test spreadsheet for test schemas
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Ken will make test schemas for the subcommittee
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The subcommittee proposes a summary of their changes to the main TC in a mail message, citing your test schemas for reference
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At a teleconference the main TC approves the changes
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Ken adds the changes to the main spreadsheets and publish new schemas for public review
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Image submission:
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A revisable vector form is required (e.g. SVG)
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A bit image form is required:
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Width of 3425 pixels @ 600dpi = 5.7083in/14.5cm = 1712 pixels @ 300dpi
Critical tasks for PRD01
In order to commence 30-day public review beginning of April we need to follow a tight schedule:
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March 22: Deadline for submitting proposals to the TC. Subcommittee members and chairs, please observe the process for forwarding changes so that proposals come forward well-defined and unambiguous for editors and TC members.
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March 27: Submitted proposals to be discussed at next weekâs conference call and the TC decides on accepting the proposals.
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April 02: PRD01 documents and artefacts have to be finalized and published in the TC repository.
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April 03: TC formally votes on UBL 2.3 CSD and PRD.
Agreed to move the deadlines one week to be able to solve the open issue concerning tax inclusive amount. Kenâs availability to work on main documents and artefacts to be confirmed.
Kees and Erlend will discuss if feasible to take over editing of PRD01 or if itâs necessary that Ken continues for now.
At last weekâs meeting we discussed that some open JIRA tickets are considered critical for the UBL 2.3 PRD. We need to identify all tasks on the critical path in order to structure the work and meet this important deadline:
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Critical bug concerning unbounded price at line level was previously deferred from 2.2 to 2.3 and remains open:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-45 -
Any other open JIRA tickets that are considered critical for PRD01?
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UBL 2.3 issues:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 o
None
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Suggested changes from the pre-award TC are included in the agenda further down. Does the pre-award SC have any further changes for UBL 2.3?
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The pre-award SC has further changes for UBL 2.3, which will not be ready for the PRD01 given the current deadlines.
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The SC will assess how much time is necessary before changes can be submitted to the TC. Preliminary estimate is 4 weeks.
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Shall we postpone the PRD01 to wait for the changes from the pre-award SC? Discussion to be continued next week.
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Two critical JIRA tasks related to post-award:
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Tax inclusive amount:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-182 o
Cardinality of customer party for B2C invoices/receipts:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-203 o
Does the post-award SC have any further changes for UBL 2.3?
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There might be more critical issues. Kees will review the issues in JIRA and report to the TC.
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Discussion will continue next week, with an assessment of issues considered critical.
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Suggested changes from the transportation SC are included in the agenda further down (still misses the description). Does the transportation SC have any further changes for UBL 2.3?
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Are there any qualified BBIEs that need proposed helpful code lists?
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Cecile to send additional code lists to the TC mailing list.
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Are there any additional tasks on the critical path to PRD01 not listed above?
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None
ASN.1 Alternative Representation for UBL 2.1 and UBL 2.2
ASN.1 Alternative Representation for UBL 2.1 and UBL 2.2 Committee Notes were approved by the TC on March 13. Progress on publishing the Committee Notes can be followed here:
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https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-3343 -
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/TCADMIN-3344 Accounting standardization efforts - UN/CEFACT
1/2 day UN/CEFACT conference coming up in early April to "explore the current state of international and regional accounting and audit data standardization and the opportunities and challenges that face development and adoption.".
See:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201903/msg00016.html Will any members of the TC be participating or is interested in participating?
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TC members are interested in observing the work. Kenneth to coordinate further.
UBL Australian Localisation Subcommittee (ALSC)
The localization subset is closed to be finalized. Aim to have a finalized draft within a couple of weeks.
UBL Payments and Finance Subcommittee (PayFin)
The Australian Localisation Subcommittee has provided input for further discussion for generic payment structures:
https://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup/ubl-australia/download.php/64653/UBL-Local-Invoice-au-v1.0-wd01.docx (See section 4.1.6 Payment Means)
Work is still in progress.
UBL Post-award
Critical JIRA tickets:
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Tax inclusive amount:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-182 o
During the Pacific call it was discussed not to confuse Tax Inclusive Amount with Payable Amount. Levine will post a comment on calculation options.
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Cardinality of customer party for B2C invoices:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL-203 o
There have been some discussions on the JIRA ticket. Levine noted that the buyer party is optional in Australia for B2C transactions under $1,000.
UBL Pre-award
The pre-award TC has submitted the following proposals for including into UBL 2.3 PRD01:
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Support further improvement of the QualificationApplicationRequest and QualificationApplicationResponse making them fitter for purpose:
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Allowing to specify criteria per lot(s)/commodityClassification and evidences per lot commodityClassification,
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Enriching the TenderingCriterionProperty ABIE with new elements of type URl, indicator, maximum quantity and minimum quantity,
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Loosening the TenderingCriterionPropertyGroup cardinality to allow for the specific case when a criterion is composed of subcriteria but has no specific TenderingCriterionProperty,
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Support of CPB identification with adding the element ContractingParty.ContractingRepresentationType.
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Additional and supporting artefacts are published here:
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=64801 Above changes will be voted upon by the TC next week unless there are changes. Please share all comments and changes before March 22 in order to meet the deadlines for UBL 2.3 PRD01.
UBL Small Business Subcommittee (SBSC)
Nothing.
UBL Transportation Subcommittee (TSC)
A package of proposed changes for UBL 2.3 has been shared here:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-tsc/201903/msg00000.html Associated spreadsheets shared with Ken's post here:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl-tsc/201903/msg00001.html And schemas posted here:
https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/document.php?document_id=64913 Additional information posted to the mailing list here:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201903/msg00021.html UBL Naming and Design Rules Subcommittee (NDRSC)
Nothing.
JIRA tickets
Available filters:
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Discuss:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=15172 -
UBL 2.x:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=12972 -
BDNDR:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13472 -
All UBL:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=11670 -
TCAdmin:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/issues/?filter=13070 When creating tickets, remember to distinguish the following components by how they are described to be used as categories:
https://issues.oasis-open.org/browse/UBL/?selectedTab=com.atlassian.jira.jira-projects-plugin:components-panel If you leave the "Component/s" field empty, the ticket will not show up in the summary filter.
Status and resolution values:
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NEW: the issue has been created but not yet agreed to be in consideration or not for the development distribution
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in order for the issue to become active work for the committee the new ticket must be changed to OPEN or it will not be seen in the "to do" filter
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the other option on a new ticket is to change it to DEFERRED
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please remember to look at the open filter to ensure visibility:
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OPEN: the issue is in consideration for the development distribution
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keep the issue OPEN when assigning to Ken for incorporation
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please remember to add a comment regarding expectations whenever you assign an OPEN ticket to another person for any action
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RESOLVED + Incomplete: the issue has been decided but not yet in test
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RESOLVED + Applied: the issue is incorporated in test but not released
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RESOLVED + Fixed: the issue is incorporated in a working draft version
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RESOLVED + Later: the issue is still up for discussion for a future minor revision but not the current development
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RESOLVED + No Action: considered as no action for any distribution
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RESOLVED + Cannot Reproduce: considered as no action for distribution
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APPLIED + Fixed: the issue is included in a public review (record the availability of the disposition once review opened)
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DEFERRED: the issue is not in consideration for any minor revision
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please remember to use this when creating new tickets for backwards-incompatible changes
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See also the discussion on the status workflows here:
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201709/msg00000.html Members please note to discuss ticket issues as comments to the ticket so that we can audit the discussion when making decisions about the ticket, without having to find the discussion on the main mail list.
Subcommittee conference calls
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Australian Localisation Subcommittee will be meeting in the BDXR âoff weeks" one hour in advance of the UBL Pacific call (00:00UTC)
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Transportation Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at 14:00UTC (will be using Peter's GotoMeeting facility)
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Pre-award Subcommittee will be meeting on Wednesdays every week at 13:30UTC (will be using Natalie's WebEx facility)
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Other subcommittees will be meeting on an as-required basis
Face-to-face
Europe
If we had a face-to-face the week of 2019-09-23 then attendees could continue on to Vienna for the Exchange Summit conference the following week (as was convenient for some members in 2018).
Offers to host from Zwolle (NL), Copenhagen (DK).
US
Do we need a face-to-face in the southern US this year? If so, who do we know who could host us or sponsor a meeting venue?
Would the US Fed in Minneapolis be able to host us in early June? Late May is not an option.
Can we go back to Tradeshift also regarding May or June in San Francisco?
This would be timed after the end of our first review so that we can work on a second review.
TC conference call schedule
Call schedule
2019-03-20
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/11:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 10:00MSP/10:00Lima/11:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-03-27
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/11:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 10:00MSP/10:00Lima/11:00Ottawa/15:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-04-03
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-04-10
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-04-17
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-04-24
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe
2019-05-01
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Pacific: 19:00MSP/19:00Lima/20:00Ottawa/00:00UTC/10:00Sydney
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Atlantic: 09:00MSP/09:00Lima/10:00Ottawa/14:00UTC/16:00Europe
Outline of teleconference times for 2019
https://lists.oasis-open.org/archives/ubl/201812/msg00000.html (Note the date for the Australia time change is indicated incorrectly)
TC calendar
http://www.oasis-open.org/committees/calendar.php?wg_abbrev=ubl iCal subscription link:
http://www.oasis-open.org/apps/org/workgroup_feeds/ical/my_vcalendar.ics?token=fa658a7994a6cefb10c10be09e139af3&workgroup_id=50 Will anyone be requesting a leave of absence in the near future? For privacy reasons, this discussion will be kept off of the minutes.
Other business
None.
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