Regular monthly LEXIDMA TC meeting

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1. Administrative

• roll call
• appoint scribe
• approve minutes from previous meeting
  https://markmail.org/message/3o7mvduysamjobqz
   

??2. Material

• DMLex Working Draft format (office or Docbook?) https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma
• DMLex WD Technical discussion

Discuss Maichal's report on subsensing
https://markmail.org/thread/w4gipruqrhn4uhhg [repo]
https://markmail.org/thread/fz46xz362r5n2fer [mailing list discussion]

• Continue discussion of design principles
  • Review Michal's finding on the use of subentries and subsenses in ELEXIS data
    https://markmail.org/thread/wgzdw4234qtjrzof and hopefully Michal's full report
  • Do we have consensue on the fused design principles? [as updated during the meeting on 21st Sept]
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Fused-revised-design-principles
  • See pending issues under "Pending considerations"
  • See also "Business logic checks" here
    https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Documenting-current-consensus-on-possible-technical-solutions
• Continue discussion of  data model diagrams [after sorting out design principles]
  • Recet contributions:
    • Miloš, Ilan, and John discussiong "two level senses"
      https://markmail.org/thread/ysxlq3ih5r4q6b67
    • John and Michal discussing revised Ontolex diagaram
      https://markmail.org/thread/wmmarqw5ugekxvdo
  • Initial positions
    • Miloš: https://www.oasis-open.org/committees/download.php/66840/LEXIDMA_ER_version1.pd
    • John: https://github.com/oasis-tcs/lexidma/wiki/Data-Model-based-on-OntoLex-TEI-Lex0
• LEXIDMA TC liaisons and appointement of reps
  • TEI Lex-0
    open call for reps

3. Closing Admin

• Recap of agreed actions
• AOB
• Adjourn [no later than 1500 WEST]

LEXIDMA meeting 19 October 2020, 14:30-16:00 CEST

1. Administrative

• roll call - Tomaz, Simon, Iztok, John, David, Milos, Michal, Ilan
• appoint scribe - Ilan
• approve minutes from previous meeting 21st September
  https://markmail.org/message/3o7mvduysamjobqz
  - approved.
• Add to AOB – review GANTT

2. Material

• Michal prepared report on subsensing in dictionaries
  https://markmail.org/thread/fz46xz362r5n2fer [mailing list discussion]
  • was uploaded by David to the repository for future reference
    https://markmail.org/thread/fz46xz362r5n2fer [mailing list discussion]
  • serving as a proposal for remodeling
  • has the benefit of flattening senses rather than hierarchical sub-senses
  • interoperable by machines
  • would not be losing any information available in the dictionaries studied
  • John: DWDS example is odd – Michal agrees there should not be separate entries
  • David: is relation-based subsensing recursion, to avoid having an element contain itself
  • Michal: avoid illogical recursion by allowing subsensing
  • David: could have two different entries, one having
  • Ilan: when ready, expand with regard to nested entries and MWEs (as subsenses)
  • Three main patterns: senses inside senses, the child sense is MWE, entry inside entry (incl homographs)
  • take care of all of them by flattening
  • David: should decide who is primary user – machine or human
  • Miloš: homographs need not be indicated explicitly – no clear distinction of homonymy and polysemy – lexicographer may decide either way, the machine can deal with either
  • Simon: possible to establish relation between the two
  • Miloš: Can infer homographs from similar spelling
  • Simon: changing the world of lexicography from book-based logic, so keep the possibility of labeling relations – can label two homonym entries as homonymic
  • Michal: if we follow the same strategy, we become truly members of the digital era
• Michal will write similar proposal including homographs/homonyms, nesting, MWEs
  • David: we need to be language-agnostic in this sense
  • MWE – making it relational
  • Simon: underdefined, not typically headwords, should not be modelled as subsenses
  • David: don’t agree, depends whether has compositional sense or not
  • Simon: agglutinative language has other problem, as could have millions of headwords; we are talking about move from hierarchical book model – whatever one considers as headword, or as something that should be explained with some kind of lexicographic identity, it can be a headword; otherwise it is used as part of the sense
  • David: we need a more comprehensive proposal, include examples and describe mechanics
  • Michal confirms accepting to write wider proposal

3. Closing Admin AOB

• Gantt chart – we were on track with administrative things, launched the TC by end of 2019
  • Had pre-assumption that working draft of deliverable starts right away, but we needed design discussions to precede
  • We are 8 months late with regard to the Gantt chart
  • David: Will need a year for drafting the standard
  • Simon suggests deadline to start public reviews before summer 2021
  • Miloš agrees with Ilan that the discussion of the underlying principals was substantial and needed fairly long time but now we can speed up the process
• Heads up for spec formatting decision next time
  • David brings from backburner having to determine the formatting question – Oasis style or ISO style
    • David send the two variants to the mailing list
    • David will present option to discuss next time, summarize and put on agenda next time
    • Political thing – fasttrack in Oasis or longterming with ISO
    • Simon and David are editors, everyone can contribute

Adjourned 1500 WEST