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  • 1.  Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Posted 12 days ago
    Hello UBL TC Members:

    The email below came into the general TC comment mailing list with a question about the UBL spec. I am forwarding it on to you for follow up.

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    From: 'José López Romero' via Technical-Committee-Comments <technical-committee-comments@oasis-open.org>
    Date: Tue, May 7, 2024 at 4:53 AM
    Subject: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.
    To: <Technical-Committee-Comments@oasis-open.org>


    Hello, I'm José López, Product Owner at Unifiedpost Iberia.
    Our company Unifiedpost group is based in more than 30 countries and is dedicated to the electronic invoice business among other things.

    As you know, in Spain there is a special type of tax, personal income tax, which is widely used by the self-employed (it is 16%). This tax has the peculiarity that instead of increasing the total value of the invoice, it decreases it, that is, it has a negative sign with respect to the total.

    Our platform, Banqup, supports different electronic formats to represent invoices, UBL, FacturaE, etc.
    We have a problem with the UBL format (we use UBL 2.1 format). We have not found the correct way (tags) to include the personal income tax, since when validating the invoice errors occur due to having a tax with a negative sign.

    I have been reviewing the documentation, I am not an expert in UBL, but although it talks about taxes, I have not found what tags could be used to treat invoices that have this type of taxes.

    Could you tell me if this new version is prepared to include special types of tax such as personal income tax, which are subtracted from the total invoice, and give me an example of use?

    If this use is not possible, could it be added?

    If you need an example, don't hesitate to ask me.

    Thank you very much in advance, I await your response

    Best regards

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    José López - Romero Moraleda
    Product Owner
    +34 609 643 889

    Musgo 3 planta baja
    28023 Madrid - Spain

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  • 2.  RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Posted 11 days ago
    Two considerations to this comment.

    1) The Spanish requirement on the personal income tax was added already in UBL 2.1 with the unbounded WithholdingTaxTotal class.

    2) In reality, this is not a tax but a withholding amount or a split payment of the invoice, where the buyer pays an amount to the supplier and another amount to the tax agency when the supplier is a physical person. In a way, the buyer acts as a tax collector. It should not have been defined as a class like withholding tax but as a payment terms.










  • 3.  RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Posted 11 days ago
    Just from my tax background. Withholding tax  as VAT  as some more taxes (wage tax etc.) are all collected and paid to the tax agency. I think calling them taxes is the correct way to of expressing. These are all indirect taxes. Income tax and eg Corporation tax are direct taxes and collected by the tax agency. 
    Calling indirect taxes makes it clear that these amounts have to be paid but do not end in the sellers pockets. Second to that, these taxes are in many cases deductible.

    Sorry to comment but with 40 years in tax and customs...

    Harm Jan van Burg

    Op 7 mei 2024 om 21:41 heeft Oriol Bausa Peris via OASIS <Mail@mail.groups.oasis-open.org> het volgende geschreven:

    
    Two considerations to this comment. 1) The Spanish requirement on the personal income tax was added already in UBL 2.1 with the unbounded... -posted to the "OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) TC" community





  • 4.  RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Posted 11 days ago
    Harm-Jan ... That "tax" sounds similar as the Dutch G-Rekening ...

    But going back to the original question:

    UBL doesn't provide any validations/calculation checks ... So that is done against some implementation specific validation set ... 

    So without knowing more details it is hard to get into the details here ... And provide a "correct" answer on the original question.

    Kees D.

    On Tue, May 7, 2024, 22:19 Harm Jan van Burg via OASIS <Mail@mail.groups.oasis-open.org> wrote:
    Just from my tax background. Withholding tax as VAT as some more taxes (wage tax etc.) are all collected and paid to the tax agency. I think... -posted to the "OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) TC" community

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    Re: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.
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    May 7, 2024 4:19 PM
    Harm Jan van Burg
    Just from my tax background. Withholding tax  as VAT  as some more taxes (wage tax etc.) are all collected and paid to the tax agency. I think calling them taxes is the correct way to of expressing. These are all indirect taxes. Income tax and eg Corporation tax are direct taxes and collected by the tax agency. 
    Calling indirect taxes makes it clear that these amounts have to be paid but do not end in the sellers pockets. Second to that, these taxes are in many cases deductible.

    Sorry to comment but with 40 years in tax and customs...

    Harm Jan van Burg

    Op 7 mei 2024 om 21:41 heeft Oriol Bausa Peris via OASIS <Mail@mail.groups.oasis-open.org> het volgende geschreven:

    
    Two considerations to this comment. 1) The Spanish requirement on the personal income tax was added already in UBL 2.1 with the unbounded... -posted to the "OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) TC" community


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    Original Message:
    Sent: 5/7/2024 4:19:00 PM
    From: Harm Jan van Burg
    Subject: RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Just from my tax background. Withholding tax  as VAT  as some more taxes (wage tax etc.) are all collected and paid to the tax agency. I think calling them taxes is the correct way to of expressing. These are all indirect taxes. Income tax and eg Corporation tax are direct taxes and collected by the tax agency. 
    Calling indirect taxes makes it clear that these amounts have to be paid but do not end in the sellers pockets. Second to that, these taxes are in many cases deductible.

    Sorry to comment but with 40 years in tax and customs...

    Harm Jan van Burg

    Op 7 mei 2024 om 21:41 heeft Oriol Bausa Peris via OASIS <Mail@mail.groups.oasis-open.org> het volgende geschreven:

    
    Two considerations to this comment. 1) The Spanish requirement on the personal income tax was added already in UBL 2.1 with the unbounded... -posted to the "OASIS Universal Business Language (UBL) TC" community



    Original Message:
    Sent: 5/7/2024 3:42:00 PM
    From: Oriol Bausa Peris
    Subject: RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Two considerations to this comment.

    1) The Spanish requirement on the personal income tax was added already in UBL 2.1 with the unbounded WithholdingTaxTotal class.

    2) In reality, this is not a tax but a withholding amount or a split payment of the invoice, where the buyer pays an amount to the supplier and another amount to the tax agency when the supplier is a physical person. In a way, the buyer acts as a tax collector. It should not have been defined as a class like withholding tax but as a payment terms.









  • 5.  RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Posted 9 days ago

    From how I understand the Spanish "IRPF" (income tax), it is a direct taxation on the income earned by professionals, which, as Oriol said, is deducted from the invoice total and withheld by the buyer:

     

    Professional services: €100.00

    IVA (VAT), 21%: €21.00

    Tax total: €121.00

    IRPF (withholding tax), -15%: -€18.15

    Payable amount: €102.85

     

    I'm also curious about his "validation" that fails. Maybe something Peppol?

     

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  • 6.  RE: Fwd: [TC Comment List] UBL 2.4 - Personal Income Tax in Spain.

    Posted 11 days ago

    From how I understand the Spanish "IRPF" (income tax), it is a direct taxation on the income earned by professionals, which, as Oriol said, is deducted from the invoice total and withheld by the buyer:

     

    Professional services: 100.00

    IVA (VAT), 21%: €21.00

    Tax total: €121.00

    IRPF (withholding tax), -15%: -€18.15

    Payable amount: €102.85

     

    I'm also curious about his "validation" that fails. Maybe something Peppol?